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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://crosslandteam.com/blog/2006/09/22/soft-market-teaches-flippers-an-ever-so-humble-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic.  Running a successful real estate business takes hours of work and a significant amount of money.  When the real estate market was good, everybody was an expert.  What I&#039;ve noticed with discount firms is they spend more money advertising low commissions then the homes they are selling.   What most people fail to realize is that the discount brokerages have set up their business to list as many homes as possible simply to attract buyers so they can sell other listings and receive 3% commissions from the sellers who are paying full price.  Anybody who has been in real estate should know that listings are the key to attracting more business and that is precisely the business model of the discount firms that I know of.  Anyways -- I don&#039;t know of any home seller that can&#039;t use a discount brokerage, I think the real complaint is why full service agencies do not offer all of their services at discount prices.  HMMMM... our Brokerage spends tens of thousands of dollars on advertising our actual clients homes and the discount brokerage spends thousands of dollars telling you how much money you can save if you list your home with them.  Good Luck in a Buyers Market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic.  Running a successful real estate business takes hours of work and a significant amount of money.  When the real estate market was good, everybody was an expert.  What I&#8217;ve noticed with discount firms is they spend more money advertising low commissions then the homes they are selling.   What most people fail to realize is that the discount brokerages have set up their business to list as many homes as possible simply to attract buyers so they can sell other listings and receive 3% commissions from the sellers who are paying full price.  Anybody who has been in real estate should know that listings are the key to attracting more business and that is precisely the business model of the discount firms that I know of.  Anyways &#8212; I don&#8217;t know of any home seller that can&#8217;t use a discount brokerage, I think the real complaint is why full service agencies do not offer all of their services at discount prices.  HMMMM&#8230; our Brokerage spends tens of thousands of dollars on advertising our actual clients homes and the discount brokerage spends thousands of dollars telling you how much money you can save if you list your home with them.  Good Luck in a Buyers Market.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Skellenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Skellenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem paying a good commission to an agent who brings me a buyer and my net is where I want it.  The point is, how much should I (the seller) pay you (the agent) to bring me a buyer and I net x dollars.  To me, the equation should look more like a graduated commission where seller and agent both win.  Agents may be able to the charge a rate for their expertise when a sale does not happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem paying a good commission to an agent who brings me a buyer and my net is where I want it.  The point is, how much should I (the seller) pay you (the agent) to bring me a buyer and I net x dollars.  To me, the equation should look more like a graduated commission where seller and agent both win.  Agents may be able to the charge a rate for their expertise when a sale does not happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John and others that claim price fixing: where are you getting this from? There is NO price fixing. You are welcome to use a 1% broker, or a flat fee MLS broker, or even negotiate with a full service borker. Most are willing to give some discounts to you if you do several deals with them.

The law of economics here is telling you that most agents can&#039;t make a decent living unless they charge on average about 3% a deal. If I figured out a way to sell 300 homes a year by myself by working reasonable hours then I&#039;d consider doing it at 1%, but that&#039;s impossible. But that&#039;s unlikely, so 3% is what allows me to make a confortable living, and I&#039;m not budging from this fee. go use discount brokers if you want, but don&#039;t complain about poor service. You DO have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John and others that claim price fixing: where are you getting this from? There is NO price fixing. You are welcome to use a 1% broker, or a flat fee MLS broker, or even negotiate with a full service borker. Most are willing to give some discounts to you if you do several deals with them.</p>
<p>The law of economics here is telling you that most agents can&#8217;t make a decent living unless they charge on average about 3% a deal. If I figured out a way to sell 300 homes a year by myself by working reasonable hours then I&#8217;d consider doing it at 1%, but that&#8217;s impossible. But that&#8217;s unlikely, so 3% is what allows me to make a confortable living, and I&#8217;m not budging from this fee. go use discount brokers if you want, but don&#8217;t complain about poor service. You DO have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not bill by the hour then.  This 6% across the board charge is monopoly pricing and price-fixing.  If you don&#039;t understand that, then you don&#039;t understand plain economics.  Bill is right and I just think you real estate agents are either too blind to simple economics or you just want to try and uphold the price-fixing environment as long as you can.  It is very simple - like every other service industry - charge market prices for the service (amount or quality of) delivered and charge accordingly.  Let various service providers compete.  It doesn&#039;t matter that real estate is &quot;hard&quot;?  What kind of argument is that?  Show me a job or industry that isin&#039;t &quot;hard&quot; and you can make any money at, and I&#039;ll say it doesn&#039;t last like that for long or the industry has government protection of some kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not bill by the hour then.  This 6% across the board charge is monopoly pricing and price-fixing.  If you don&#8217;t understand that, then you don&#8217;t understand plain economics.  Bill is right and I just think you real estate agents are either too blind to simple economics or you just want to try and uphold the price-fixing environment as long as you can.  It is very simple &#8211; like every other service industry &#8211; charge market prices for the service (amount or quality of) delivered and charge accordingly.  Let various service providers compete.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that real estate is &#8220;hard&#8221;?  What kind of argument is that?  Show me a job or industry that isin&#8217;t &#8220;hard&#8221; and you can make any money at, and I&#8217;ll say it doesn&#8217;t last like that for long or the industry has government protection of some kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Crossland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Crossland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; These more troublesome customers ought to pay more because they used more services.

But the more &quot;toublesome&quot; customers are difficult to identify prior to entering into a listing or buyer rep contract, so it would be hard to tell someone &quot;geez, you seem to me like you&#039;re going to be tough to deal with so I&#039;m going to have to charge you extra&quot;. Or &quot;you seem like such nice people, I&#039;m going to be able to sell your home for less than my usual fee&quot;.

There is no way that could work and it would open the door to potential problems, such as being accused of discrimination. Now, if an agent wants to let his or her fee be determined by the negotiating skill of the client prospect, that&#039;s up to that agent to decide.

And I don&#039;t like to think of any customer as being &quot;troublesome&quot;. Every customer is an opportunity for an agent to help someone and to provide the best service they can. Not every buyer will purchase a home. That doesn&#039;t make them troublesome, or a waste of time. We know that about 70% of all buyers that sign a Buyer Rep Agreement with us eventually buy a home. The other 30% are just as appreciated and valued because at least they gave us an opportunity to help them. People change their minds and that&#039;s ok.

&gt; I will refrain myself from making comments from this point forward.
I hope you&#039;ll reconsider.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> These more troublesome customers ought to pay more because they used more services.</p>
<p>But the more &#8220;toublesome&#8221; customers are difficult to identify prior to entering into a listing or buyer rep contract, so it would be hard to tell someone &#8220;geez, you seem to me like you&#8217;re going to be tough to deal with so I&#8217;m going to have to charge you extra&#8221;. Or &#8220;you seem like such nice people, I&#8217;m going to be able to sell your home for less than my usual fee&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is no way that could work and it would open the door to potential problems, such as being accused of discrimination. Now, if an agent wants to let his or her fee be determined by the negotiating skill of the client prospect, that&#8217;s up to that agent to decide.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t like to think of any customer as being &#8220;troublesome&#8221;. Every customer is an opportunity for an agent to help someone and to provide the best service they can. Not every buyer will purchase a home. That doesn&#8217;t make them troublesome, or a waste of time. We know that about 70% of all buyers that sign a Buyer Rep Agreement with us eventually buy a home. The other 30% are just as appreciated and valued because at least they gave us an opportunity to help them. People change their minds and that&#8217;s ok.</p>
<p>> I will refrain myself from making comments from this point forward.<br />
I hope you&#8217;ll reconsider.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For every “easy” deal that a Buyer or Seller may think we got (where it looks like our efforts are disproportionately small compared to the money we earned), there can be 2 or 3 that were very difficult to complete...&quot;

Steve, I perfectly understand the unevenness of the real estate deals. Some folks don&#039;t do their own homework and cause tremendous hassles to all the parties involved. Some deals are much more complex than some others. That’s exactly why the 6% cross the board commission is not fair. These more troublesome customers ought to pay more because they used more services. By the same token, if I am such a good seller/buyer, I did much of the prep works myself and I made the entire process smooth and efficient, why should I be penalized for some other incompetent sellers/buyers pitfalls?

“…though you sometimes cause me to worry about how to maintain civility while still keeping an open forum”

I almost never attacked Jim directly, nor did I ever make any uncivil remarks. However, I respect that this is your blog and you are the owner of this domain. So I apologize for your concern. I will refrain myself from making comments from this point forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For every “easy” deal that a Buyer or Seller may think we got (where it looks like our efforts are disproportionately small compared to the money we earned), there can be 2 or 3 that were very difficult to complete&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Steve, I perfectly understand the unevenness of the real estate deals. Some folks don&#8217;t do their own homework and cause tremendous hassles to all the parties involved. Some deals are much more complex than some others. That’s exactly why the 6% cross the board commission is not fair. These more troublesome customers ought to pay more because they used more services. By the same token, if I am such a good seller/buyer, I did much of the prep works myself and I made the entire process smooth and efficient, why should I be penalized for some other incompetent sellers/buyers pitfalls?</p>
<p>“…though you sometimes cause me to worry about how to maintain civility while still keeping an open forum”</p>
<p>I almost never attacked Jim directly, nor did I ever make any uncivil remarks. However, I respect that this is your blog and you are the owner of this domain. So I apologize for your concern. I will refrain myself from making comments from this point forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Crossland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Crossland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill and Jim,

I appreciate your lively participation in the Crossland Team Blog, though you sometimes cause me to worry about how to maintain civility while still keeping an open forum. Please be kind and respectful to one another. :)

I think one of the toughest things to understand about the perceived value of anything we pay for in life is that the amount paid doesn&#039;t always seem to match the effort or outcome we observe. Since a lot of the effort put forth by a Realtor is uncompensated, the gap has to be made up on paying customers, or &quot;done deals&quot;.

For every &quot;easy&quot; deal that a Buyer or Seller may think we got (where it looks like our efforts are disproportionately small  compared to the money we earned), there can be 2 or 3 that were very difficult to complete, or that we worked hard on for months, only see see it all fall apart at the end due to circumstances beyond our control.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill and Jim,</p>
<p>I appreciate your lively participation in the Crossland Team Blog, though you sometimes cause me to worry about how to maintain civility while still keeping an open forum. Please be kind and respectful to one another. <img src='http://crosslandteam.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think one of the toughest things to understand about the perceived value of anything we pay for in life is that the amount paid doesn&#8217;t always seem to match the effort or outcome we observe. Since a lot of the effort put forth by a Realtor is uncompensated, the gap has to be made up on paying customers, or &#8220;done deals&#8221;.</p>
<p>For every &#8220;easy&#8221; deal that a Buyer or Seller may think we got (where it looks like our efforts are disproportionately small  compared to the money we earned), there can be 2 or 3 that were very difficult to complete, or that we worked hard on for months, only see see it all fall apart at the end due to circumstances beyond our control.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, calm down. You can explain explain explain, I don&#039;t care. No matter how &quot;hard&quot; this business is, it&#039;s a business, it should follow the free market rules. This means, the magic hidden hand of market will decide how your labor should be compensated, not a strict 6% set and ENFORCED by a trade organization. What business is NOT hard, anyways? A healthy discussion should not be called &quot;bitching&quot;. Keep charging your 6%, I am not trying to get the government to lower your commission one bit. I have said, if you want to charge 20%, be my guest. Some lawyers do that, and they still drive Bentley and marry hot women their grand daughter&#039;s age.

I just want to find an agent who charges less and doing just as good if not better job as yours. That&#039;s what competition is all about. I end up saving money, the agent get paid according to the quality and amount of work he&#039;s done. That&#039;s all. Simple logic, and yet some 6% people just don&#039;t want to get it.

Jim, your rhetoric is getting old. Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, calm down. You can explain explain explain, I don&#8217;t care. No matter how &#8220;hard&#8221; this business is, it&#8217;s a business, it should follow the free market rules. This means, the magic hidden hand of market will decide how your labor should be compensated, not a strict 6% set and ENFORCED by a trade organization. What business is NOT hard, anyways? A healthy discussion should not be called &#8220;bitching&#8221;. Keep charging your 6%, I am not trying to get the government to lower your commission one bit. I have said, if you want to charge 20%, be my guest. Some lawyers do that, and they still drive Bentley and marry hot women their grand daughter&#8217;s age.</p>
<p>I just want to find an agent who charges less and doing just as good if not better job as yours. That&#8217;s what competition is all about. I end up saving money, the agent get paid according to the quality and amount of work he&#8217;s done. That&#8217;s all. Simple logic, and yet some 6% people just don&#8217;t want to get it.</p>
<p>Jim, your rhetoric is getting old. Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;

Really, just 40 hours. How about the hours of prospecting and talking on the phone with &quot;clients&quot; who waste your time asking questions but never sign the listing agreement. How about the hours driving showing properties to people who never buy?

How about, Bill, your boss at work only pays you at the end of the month, and only if he decides your work is good enough? What if you wake up in the morning not knowing where your next paycheck is coming from?

I currently do 2 deals a month, my first year in business, and about $200k house. It takes ALOT of work to get here, and I&#039;m only making $90k a year or so. Imagine if I got 1% instead and only made $30k? Would I be motivated to stay in this business. Try working as a realtor, Bill, and you&#039;ll see.</description>
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<p>Really, just 40 hours. How about the hours of prospecting and talking on the phone with &#8220;clients&#8221; who waste your time asking questions but never sign the listing agreement. How about the hours driving showing properties to people who never buy?</p>
<p>How about, Bill, your boss at work only pays you at the end of the month, and only if he decides your work is good enough? What if you wake up in the morning not knowing where your next paycheck is coming from?</p>
<p>I currently do 2 deals a month, my first year in business, and about $200k house. It takes ALOT of work to get here, and I&#8217;m only making $90k a year or so. Imagine if I got 1% instead and only made $30k? Would I be motivated to stay in this business. Try working as a realtor, Bill, and you&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, all the anti-commission BS is being stirred by the online companies like Zillow and various discount brokers. Why? Because they are trying to sell you a competing service which is inferior. Discount listing agents are not there when you need to close the deal, so the buyers agent has to work twice as hard, which is why a lot of them boycott those listings. I wouldn&#039;t do that, but I&#039;ve had the misfortune of working with a listing from Texas Discount Realty. Same old crap, the listing agent is nowhere to be found.

And Zillow, those companies sell you on very useless and inaccurate home assesments so you give them their name and #, which they turn around and sell as a lead to a realtor so you can get a &quot;more accurate&quot; evaluation. The commission crap is all a marketing ploy by some companies to win over business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, all the anti-commission BS is being stirred by the online companies like Zillow and various discount brokers. Why? Because they are trying to sell you a competing service which is inferior. Discount listing agents are not there when you need to close the deal, so the buyers agent has to work twice as hard, which is why a lot of them boycott those listings. I wouldn&#8217;t do that, but I&#8217;ve had the misfortune of working with a listing from Texas Discount Realty. Same old crap, the listing agent is nowhere to be found.</p>
<p>And Zillow, those companies sell you on very useless and inaccurate home assesments so you give them their name and #, which they turn around and sell as a lead to a realtor so you can get a &#8220;more accurate&#8221; evaluation. The commission crap is all a marketing ploy by some companies to win over business.</p>
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