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The Crossland Team
Sylvia Crossland, Broker Steve Crossland, MPM (512) 301-5811 |
September 4, 2008
I continue to be amazed at the number of agents who cannot grasp a simple concept when it comes to repair negotiations and who respond to reasonable, normal requests as if the sky is falling. My concept of reasonable is, in a nutshell, what would an ordinary buyer and seller consider reasonable, and what is fair to both parties?
In Texas, buyers have two bites at the apple when negotiating the terms and conditions of a residential real estate purchase. The initial negotiation is focused mainly on price and closing date. But your home isn’t necessarily sold just becuase it goes under contract. It has to survive the inspection and “Option Period” before we consider it a “hard” contract. That involves, in most cases, a second negotiation resulting from inspection items.
The second, final negotiation is completed during the Option Period after the buyer has had an inspection of the home performed. The buyer may then seek remedy or compensation for latent defects or repairs that were unknown and/or undisclosed at the time the initial contract was finalized. The buyer, through a final proposed amendment, essential tells the seller “if you agree to these additional terms and conditions, which are a direct result of the inspection or other discovery, we will waive our Termination Option and proceed to closing”.
Sellers in Texas have no contractual obligation to make any repairs whatsoever, period. All homes are sold “as-is”. However, a seller can refuse to work with a buyer on repair issues at risk of the buyer terminating the deal and seeking another home in better condition, or with a better price/condition relationship.
Sellers and their agents often fail to consider the fact that, if they let the current buyer walk away, the next reasonable buyer will probably ask for the same or similar repair remedies. In other words, those tree damaged roof shingles, leaking A/C coil, rusted out A/C drain pan, plumbing leaks and other items are not going to disappear upon the next buyer’s inspection. Furthermore, the next buyer may be even tougher in their requests than the current buyer.
So unless the buyer is completely unreasonable, ridiculous and over the top in the requests being made (as can indeed often be the case), it’s almost always going to be in a seller’s best interest to work with the buyer and make the deal happen - but to a limit.
This would be a lot easier if all buyers, sellers and agents had a common viewpoint or opinion of what constitutes “reasonable” repair requests. I have my own concept of what reasonable is, and I advise buyers and sellers according to this approach. But we often run into agents and buyers or sellers who have different ideas about what constitutes “reasonable” requests. When that happens, the final repair negotiations can become difficult, normally because of emotions, and sometimes deals fall apart because our buyer walks away from the unreasonable seller, or our reasonable seller tells the unreasonable buyer to take a hike. This isn’t a good outcome for either side, but neither is an outcome that is not win/win, and which has one party succumbing to the unreasonable demands of the other.
So what do I consider reasonable? Let go over it and see if you agree.
For Sellers:
If you are selling a home and you list as the included components of that home items such as a sprinkler system, central air and heat, gas range, etc., AND you have furthermore noted on your Seller’s Disclosure Notice that all of the major mechanical items of your home are in good working condition and without defect, it is not unreasonable of your buyer to request that the home be delivered at closing as it was represented at the time of the initial price negotiation. This, to me, is reasonable.
So, if the inspection reveals that the sprinkler system has multiple leaks and broken heads, it’s NOT unreasonable that the buyer asks for it to be repaired, or for a price adjustment to fund the repairs after closing. The buyer may in fact have picked your home over another just because of the sprinkler system, for crying out loud. And now you want to pucker up, get angry and say, “well, I’m not paying to fix that”? Why should the buyer pay, I ask? You said in your Seller Disclosure it was working, which was a misrepresentation of fact. You need to fix it or pay the cost of fixing it to the buyer at closing.
If it turns out that the HVAC system that you represented as working and without defect instead is found to have the a leaking condenser coil, is low on freon, and the drain pan is rusted through, it’s not unreasonable that the buyer would want that system returned to good working order prior to closing. And it’s not unreasonable that you, the seller, absorb the cost of this remedy, even if it means having the unit replaced with a new one.
You represented these items as being in good working order and the buyer did not factor in these potential expenses when she agree to the final sales price. It is therefore not reasonable to expect a buyer to pay the necessary costs to remedy items that were misrepresented by you (knowingly or not) or to absorb the financial consequences of your neglect and failure to properly maintain your property and its equipment. By not properly maintaining your home while you owned it, the maintenance expenses remained in your pocket. You don’t get to keep the money you thought you saved by not properly maintaining your home. You’ll have to spend it now, plus some, to put things back into order for the buyer.
When presented with a repair amendment based on this logic, or way of thinking, neither you nor your agent should, in my opinion, become angry or insulted. There is nothing unreasonable or insulting about a buyers request to cure items that you represented as being in good working order and which negatively affect the value of the home.
For Buyers:
The Option Period is intended to be a period of time during which you can have the home inspected and verify that the home does not have latent defects or condition items which could not have been anticipated or assumed based on the visible condition and/or age of the home. You want to make sure that the home doesn’t have “big ticket” mechanical and condition repairs, which may affect you financially in the near term, and which you were not aware of when you agreed on the sales price.
Examples would be failing or near-failing HVAC equipment, plumbing leaks, damaged roof, leaking roof, foundation issues, non-functioning appliances, dangerous electrical or mechanical conditions, etc.
Should such items be discovered, the value of the home has changed. A $200,000 home that contains potentially $12,000 in urgent deferred maintenance is no longer worth $200,000. It can easily cost $5,000 to $10,000 to replace a bad roof. It can cost $2,000 to $8,000 to repair/replace failing HVAC equipment. It can cost $500 to $1,000 to put a neglected sprinkler system back into proper working order.
All of these items must be mentally added to the price you are paying for the home, and it’s our job as your buyer agent to make sure you understand the TOTAL cost of purchasing+owning the home and to prevent you from paying too much.
It is not unreasonable as a buyer to seek remedy or price adjustments for such items. Additionally, items not functioning at the time of closing are excluded from the Home Warranty you are receiving from the seller when you purchase the the home. So don’t let the seller or agent tell you “the Home Warranty will replace that after closing”. It won’t. It has to be fixed. It has to be in working order at closing to be covered by your home warranty, otherwise, your coverage will be void and you will be stuck paying for the new A/C system.
What is Unreasonable?
What IS unreasonable is to expect a seller to cure low level, knick-knack repair items. No home is perfect, and any home you buy will have minor defects and problems. Even newer homes have minor problems and defects. The older the home, the more of this you should expect and be prepared to accept without fuss.
It’s unreasonable to expect sellers to cure code items in older homes, when those items were not required at the time the home was built. We had a buyer on one of our 1970s listings once send a laundry list of requested repairs which essentially represent a remodel and code upgrade of the entire home to present day standards, including the entire electrical system and all the aluminum wiring. That was a ridiculous request and, as we suspected, both the buyer and the agent were newbie first timers who knew nothing about the home purchase or inspection process. Our seller of course refused and the buyers missed out on a great home which someone else quickly purchased with no fuss over the inspection (the house was in fantastic condition for its age).
Yes, the inspector may flag things on the inspection as “safety” issues, such as missing GFI outlets, or the flex gas line supplying your furnace (which really should be converted to solid pipe at your expense after you buy), but that’s the way the house was built when it was new, it met code at that time, and the seller did not agree to “upgrade” or modify the home to current building standards when your offer was accepted. When you choose to buy an older home, you should know and accept this, and your agent should help you understand what to expect.
Most agent, buyers and sellers are in fact reasonable. We tell sellers before accepting an offer that you should mentally be prepared to give up at least $500 in repair concessions if asked and justified, so factor that into the price you are willing to accept. It simply lubricates the deal and keeps things moving, as we know we will almost always receive some sort of repair request no matter what.
Same with buyers, we tell you that you should be ready and prepared to accept at least $500 in needed repairs that a seller may not be willing to cure, plus the smaller knick-knack stuff and code upgrade items. Factor that into the price you agree to pay so you won’t have to get stressed out when the seller balks at or counter-offers your repair request items with less than you deem is fair.
Finally, there can be exceptions, to what is ordinarily considered a “reasonable” repair request. If the buyer has absolutely hammed the seller on price right at the outset, you can’t come and hammer them again on repairs. Likewise, if the seller holds out for at or above market value, full price on the sale, expect to be a bit more flexible on the repairs, as the buyer will want the full price home to be in fuill price condition, which means no major problems.
If everybody would approach their deals this way, there would be fewer instances of buyers and seller letting emotion and unreasonable expectations infect and derail what could otherwise be a win/win, smooth transaction. I’ve experienced listing agents literally act like someone off their medication when presented with normal and well justified repair remedy requests. Same with buyer agents when told that the seller isn’t going to do free code upgrades to the home for the buyer.
They breathe heaving breaths of dismay, “well, I just don’t see how your buyer can be asking for anything at the price they’re paying”. And I’ll say, “The agreed price is fair market value and doesn’t factor in all of these unknown defects and mechanical issues. That changes the value of the home”.
Some agents, frankly, let their ego get in the way, and make all sorts of comments about the request before they’ve even presented it to the seller. I understand, and it happens to me too (though I refrain from initial comment to the other agent until I talk with the seller). I want my seller to receive the best price possible, and I feel personally distressed at the prospect of that not happening.
But the transaction isn’t about me or my ego. It’s not my decision as to what terms and conditions the seller is willing to accept in order to keep the deal moving. So I simply present the request, offer my opinion as to it’s reasonableness, and let the seller decide. I wish other agents would do the same.
10 Responses to “Repair Negotiations - What is Reasonable?”
yes…yes…yes…yes… !!!!
talking about taking the words from my mouth!!!
human nature is what it is…
human emotions are what they are…
examples:
multi-multi multi millionaire finds the perfect house… i always use the “hide $2,500 under your mattress for the repair issues the seller may refuse to fix”… the inspection turns up virtually nothing!!!…. cept the few windows looking out to the lake that are fogged (only at certain times of the day/year/sun position…)… $1,900 estimate to replace these widow glasses!!!…. the seller says “we came down to meet your offer price… we will not fix the windows… we have lived here since the home was built and NEVER have seen any problem with the windows”… so i talk with the buyer about that $2,500 under their mattress… the buyer says “i am not going to buy this guys house!!!”…. (contract terminated… both buyer and seller have remorse… i get them talking… they both apologize… go to closing)… i forgot to mention the fact that the seller also used the fact that they spent $6,800 on an outdoor grille… and that the buyer should be happy with the fact that the grille was conveying… BUT the buyer replied back (against my suggestions) that they didn’t give a hoot about the grille… SO THE SELLER TOOK A SLEDGE HAMMER TO THE GRILLE!!!!!
but… SO many other deals have just died…. EMOTIONS run rampart… intelligent thought disappears…
i could go on for another 100 pages….
some get to closing… some don’t…
one other “deal”:…. retired military buyer… contral FREAK!!!…. we find the perfect house…. $100,000 under valued (buyer knew it upon first step into the property)… everything going ok…. a little rough during option/inspection…. we get through it… 1 week from closing the buyer calls me to tell me that they are NOT going to buy the house if the seller does NOT fix the deck where the hot tub was removed (1 year old $12,000 hot tub)… buyer just didn’t want it… contract called for seller to remove it…. I SCREWED up and did’nt addess deck repairs after removal!!!… (live and learn!!)… buyer was adament…. terminated contract… threatened to sue seller for earnest money (past option period)… buyers wife almost had a nervous breakdown…. she KNEW this was a 1 in a million bargain!!!…. she actually took off 1 week from work and cried!!!!…. the seller IMMEDIATELY got another full price offer…. … … … … … listing agent called me 3 weeks later to tell me the unthinkable happened… new buyer lost job!!!!…. i called my buyers to tell them…. AND HUSBAND STILL INSISTED on seller repairing deck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……. long story short… I paid the $1,500 out of my pocket to fix the deck!!!!…………
PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve,
Maybe it is just a difference in business practices between real estate practitioners in California (SIlicon Valley) with those of Texas, but our listing agent’s typically have the seller get pre-listing inspections prior to putting the home on the market. This gives the seller a better idea of potential costs/issues that might come up. These are also given to the buyer prior to any offer presentation so that the buyer has an idea as to the home’s conditoin prior to writing an offer.
Pre-listing inspections fon’t proclude the buyer from doing his/her own inspections, but rather it adds the seller’s disclosure on the property’s condition. The more information, the more comfortable the buyer feels about his/her purchase.
Once a contract is ratified, it is more likely to close because there are less unknowns about the property. I highly recommend having my seller’s spend $600-$800 up front to eliminate substantial costs (could be in the thousands of dollars) down the line because the buyer wants to re-negotiate.
Hi Dave,
Yes, I wish pre-inspections were common practice in Texas. It makes a lot of sense. We have seller perform one when the property has a lot of deferred maintenance, but it’s fairly rare to see pre-inspections in our market.
Steve
Of course, the buying/selling process is generally one that is emotionally influenced despite the best intentions of the parties. Add to this that pricing is always a little suspect — once you get out of the cookie cutter house, it is almost impossible to say what the comparative market value of a house is down to the last dollar. This leaves a large gray area in negotitations where emotions can drive the process.
Case in point — when we bought our house last year, the sellers has already moved out and had a temporary tenant. The house had been on the market for nearly a year; overpriced and already had a $50k reduction when we came along. We saw a house that had had some updating but still had much left to do, and there were quite a few deferred maintenance issues (the loose gutter by the entrance and overgrown landscaping obvious ones). So our view was that we were buying a project house with good bones. We negotiated somewhat agressively on price to get a good, not great deal according to our agent and the available comparables.
Of course, from the sellers’ perspective, they had a house in great condition that they had renovated and were giving away. Our inspection came up with a long list of items, some of them of the type Steve say shouldn’t be included like out of code items. But others were maintenance problems or issues due to faulty workmanship in the previous renovations. The repair cost came out to $12k — very reasonable from my perspective. Not to the sellers, of course. If I hadn’t been very flexible on assuming most of the repair costs, it is very possible the deal wouldn’t have gone through. In the end, I got a reasonble closing price on a house that was good for us — but that remains a series of improvement projects. The sellers, I am sure, feel they gave the house away (especially given the high initial asking price).
So, long story short, it is good to have a discussion about reasonable things to ask for, but these issues are rarely cut and dried given the imprecision in pricing and issues that come with older homes.
As a buyer, send the inspection report on over to the seller after its done. Then, they pretty much have to disclose the issues if the deal falls through. This might be close to strong-arm tactics in some sellers/realtors books, but not mine. Buyers, you really should be at the inspection! You are paying for it and its a great way to learn about your house. If you know a thing or two, you may even spot issues that the inspector doesn’t.
As for your 1970s house example with Aluminum wiring, it is reasonable to ask for an electrician to double check things, especially the junction box and possible have it replaced. A crummy (or incorrect, say one for copper wiring) junction box is the case of many of problems with Aluminum wiring. Sometimes tightening the screws in the box is in order to sure things are safe.
Sellers, be prepared for a long list of things the buyer might want fixed. You probably asked the same of the previous seller. Its all part of the game with all the parties that are involved (far too many if you ask me - realtors, title company, lawyers, banks/mortgage brokers, home inspectors, insurance agents, county tax assessors, city of austin now).
I am curious to know your opinion. You said that you did not think it was reasonable to ask for “safety” items that were up to code when the house was originally built, but does not conform to current code requirements. What if that home has been flipped and upgraded but the sellers chose to only update certain things? It seems to me that if they have done any upgrading, then the missing GFI outlets, or the flex gas line supplying the furnace should have been taken care of. I don’t think that it is unreasonable to expect the sellers to pay for those things if they are trying to sell you an “upgraded” home, even if it is an older home.
Hi Kristen,
I agree with you on this point. If a home is advertised as “fully remodelled”, there are certain aspects of a remodel that are assumed. But in the end, we see a lot of “rehabs” that are simply cosmetic treatments that leave the underlying components of the home in original condition. It still comes down to a negotiation between the buyer and seller.
Steve
Steve,
Interesting article. I’m from the east coast and currently in the negotiation process resulting from the home inspection. Our inspector identified some major issues with what I like to call the “lifeblood” of the home. For example, a 22 year old furnance (2 years past its useful lifecycle IMO), a 22 year old hot water heater (10-12 years past its lifecycle IMO), a AC unit approaching 15 years old (15-17 yr lifecycle IMO), and a 75ft tree that is clearly dying. We actually submitted a request to replace the HVAC, hot water heater and remove the tree. We figured if we are about to pay Ferrari prices why should we be stuck with the impending bill to replace old, outdated and soon to be less than efficient systems in addition to a major safety hazard.
Of course I don’t expect the seller to agree to this, but never expected the realtor to lose his cool with my realtor before he even discussed it with his clients. In your opinion were we out of bounds or were we doing nothing more than any other person would do wrt identifying major flaws with a home priced in the mid 600K range with the expectation that we ask for it all knowing we’ll be negotiating a viable solution for all parties involved?
Hi John,
It doesn’t surprise me that the listing Realtor lost his cool. I would simply have your agent present your rationale, and try to leave emotion out of it. It helps if you have a strong number 2 choice that you can pursue. Sometimes stubborn sellers get their way because the buyer has already emotionally attached themselves to the home and is loathe to walk away.
I’d simply add up all the unexpected costs, add that amount to the contract price, and ask yourself if you are willing to pay that amount for the home. Is the home still worth it?
On the other hand, if what you describe is what might be found in the next home you pursue, walking away might not be wise. But it is VERY important to know and understand what you are really paying for the home, and that cost includes the curing of neglected mechanical equipment.
Good Luck,
Steve
John,
Hopefully you were able to resolve your option-period repairs.This will always be a subjective issue. Sellers want to spend as little as possible and buyers want to get as much as possible for their hard-earned money (regardless of price) In my opinion, however, you were not out of bounds asking for those big-price items to be corrected. Why would a “new” owner have to pay for deferred maintanace?
Good Luck,
Raul